Friday, April 19, 2013

G+: Basically, I posted that 2 more reps are being put on the chopping block here in Colorado.  I happen ...

Basically, I posted that 2 more reps are being put on the chopping block here in Colorado.  I happen to agree that the Colorado Senate, et al, has been pretty draconian in its approach to guns and gun ownership.  So here is a short back and forth that happened to me yesterday.I am thinking that I need to know more around this subject, or stand firm in a narrower channel (to use the water metaphor).  I don't care which side of the debate you are on, where did this go off the rails after my originating post?----------------------------------------------------------------------------------It is about time! We The People need to send a message, loud and clear, to our representatives. Either represent while upholding your oath or be fired!  http://bit.ly/13laj2aThe Colorado Secretary of State today signed off on recall petitions for two more Democrats, Sens. Angela Giron of Pueblo and Evie Hudak of Westminster.http://bit.ly/13lalqCOriginally posted on Google+. Join the conversation.#g+ #via-iftttLike ·  · Unfollow Post · Share · Promote----------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Martin Rather ironic post Keith given yesterday's Senate vote on legislation that was supported by 90% of the people!22 hours ago · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Kittery Barrows 90% my ass! That may have been what was said, but very few people that I know of supported that legislation!22 hours ago · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Kittery Barrows Did you get a phone call to get polled?22 hours ago · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Martin Does it occur to you Kittery, that you befriend people that think like you? You can't take a sample of what your friends think and extrapolate that result as a representative sample size for the entire nation.20 hours ago · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Kittery Barrows Did you get a call? Nobody I know did! And for the record I have friends from all walks of life, and I do mean all. But not one of those people were polled regarding this.20 hours ago via mobile · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Martin All you need is a statistically significant sample size. Not everyone needs to be called.20 hours ago · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Martin But let me ask you this: Do you think background checks actually infringe on your 2nd amendment rights?20 hours ago · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Kittery Barrows I have no problems with background checks within reason. Convicted criminals have lost that right. But who is to say who is mentally unstable? If I get depressed for a week and talk to my doctor about it, does that make me unstable? How about a month? Or if someone report's that I disagree with the President and he decides, does that make me unstable, and therefore incapable of owning a firearm?20 hours ago via mobile · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Kittery Barrows I have a HUGE problem with a President that repeatedly says 90% of America when appears that he arbitrarily pulled that number out of who knows where!19 hours ago via mobile · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Martin When it comes to the question "Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online?" Yes, the polls indicate that approx 90% of the respondents support that.19 hours ago · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Martin No, depression and disagreeing with the President don't constitute grounds for making one flagged for being barred from buying a weapon. It takes more than that. James Holmes, for example, did cross that threshold.19 hours ago · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Kittery Barrows Show me the data. I deal in demographics all day long. I want to see them!19 hours ago via mobile · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Martin It's not demographical data, it's psychological diagnosis. It is good to know that you have little issue with background checks on verified violent criminals who would love to buy weapons online or at gun shows. But the NRA and a lot of its fanatical adherents don't want any checks on these convicted felons. And what does that tell you?19 hours ago · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Keith Barrows That you apply the same logic you accuse others of. Fanatical?19 hours ago via mobile · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Keith Barrows Let's take a sampling of 4 districts here in Colorado. To get the petition completed you need 25% of the people who voted to sign. All 4 districts did do this. In those districts, unless my math is wrong, we don't have 90% in favour as you state. Now a question: How many people and in what areas were polled? My next question will be formulated on that answer.19 hours ago via mobile · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Martin Keith, this was a nationwide poll, not a sample of a few choice districts in Colorado.19 hours ago · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Martin Let's pose the question this way... What would you say to background checks for the purchase of weapons in the case of violent criminals with a proven past, and mentally ill people who, in the judgment of health professionals, would pose a viable threa...See More19 hours ago · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Martin Follow the money! That is the central dynamic in our politics.18 hours ago · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Keith Barrows not what I asked. Please answer my question.18 hours ago via mobile · Like----------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Martin This goes beyond your four district example: http://www.ibtimes.com/gun-control-debate-85-gun-owners-favor-universal-background-checks-poll-114561385% Of Gun Owners Favor Universal Background Checkswww.ibtimes.comThe checks have overwhelming support, but do gun owners -- and voters -- care enough about them to convince U.S. lawmakers?18 hours ago · Like · Remove Preview----------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Martin Anyway, it goes against common sense to ignore background checks, and you know this.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Colorado Secretary of State today signed off on recall petitions for two more Democrats, Sens. Angela Giron of Pueblo and Evie Hudak of Westminster.



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